Crystal Desert, ahoy!
Reddit is in love with the raptor mount’s animations – the sheer attention to detail is amazing.
Riding one of these feels very vehicle-like or ship-like, no quick side-strafing but more steering like a speedboat… that can leap long distances.
I created a warrior for the weekend demo.
This time around, Marauder stats were provided (similar to Berserker with less Power/Precision/Ferocity bang, but more Vitality), which I thought was a nice compromise for experienced players who can’t live without the damage potential they are used to, but had extra health pool for the new players.
I’m not sure what necromancers started out with, but both UltrViolet from Endgame Viable and Aywren reported some difficulty with the introductory instance that showed players arriving to the Crystal Desert and learning how to use mounts.
Part of it might be a problem with the preset traits and skills. The warrior started with a greatsword and rifle, which happens to suit my open world playstyle fine (direct damage, one melee and one range option) but I took one look at the traits and couldn’t quite make head or tail out of it.
I suspect they built it more defensively for new preview weekend players. “Kick” was on my skill bar, among other things. Ok, breakbar hint, I suppose, but I am totally not used to using the warrior physical skills. Especially after they changed it in the new patch and gave it an ammo mechanic in the hope of making it more popular/viable a choice, but new mechanic = something not even vets are familiar with using right now.
You can picture me poking at it quizzically with this sort of expression on my face.
So I took some time at the start to flip things to the more standard PS berserker build I was used to, minus the banners for group support, plus Wild Blow utility and Head Butt elite skill for breakbar (I’ll take the hint).
Also, since experience versus Balthazar mobs in Siren’s Landing has taught me that Anet is very very fond of quick stacking burns as a theme on his faction (recipe for immediate “Ow!” and falling over downed), a condi cleanse might be super helpful. Shake It Off went on the utility skill bar.
Lastly, finishing off the open world utility trifecta besides a breakbar skill and a condi cleanse, a stun-break. Warriors have a number of options, I just like Balanced Stance because it gives swiftness for running around, stability if used pre-emptively, and breaks stun if used reactively.
With that, the story instance felt fine, though I did feel like I was hitting with… if not quite a wet noodle, at least a wooden sword. See, the downgrade was that the demo stats were all exotics – armor, weapons, trinkets – along with Marauder slightly diluting the max damage of Berserker stats possible.
On the bright side, I used no food, no utilities and completed it just fine on exotics, so it is doable – and I presume they tested with all exotic gear, if this is their preset demo gear.
The big issue, imo, is mostly that folks not used to GW2 combat are not used to two things:
- Moving while pressing skills, and knowing what the skills are so that they can be chained smoothly
- Reading the itty bitty tiny buff icons on the mob’s status bars and general mob combat animations and indicators that have become second nature to people who play GW2 more often
Running out of orange circles by being pre-emptively mobile and ready to sidestep is a trained reaction by now for most of us, while a new player probably doesn’t even -see- the orange circle against the beige sand of a desert setting, let alone react in time.
Reading animations is another thing. Mobs have been charging at us since Mordrem mobs in Dry Top and Silverwastes. You gain an instinctive “uh oh” hunch when a mob starts pausing and looking at you funny, gathering itself up… before you know it, you’ve thrown yourself with a sideways dodge out of the way of the oncoming charge.
This is a learned reaction. Painfully acquired over time from getting charged and knocked down and around every which way to kingdom come. Not to mention, getting shot to hell by the straight ground line of Mordrem snipers.
You go from not even knowing the mob is going to come at you, to recognizing that “ok, this mob type is probably coming at me,” to trying out different mobility solutions (running sideways will probably still get you caught, just hitting the dodge button leaves you still in the oncoming path), to realizing that the best solution is to dodge sideways, to -practising- the ability to dodge sideways (holding one key down while pressing another, are your keybinds in a comfortable place to do that?) until it becomes something you can do on demand, and even subconsciously.
(And if you are a little insane, like my particular raid group, you practice synchronized group dodging aka “dodge left” to control a particular mechanic for a certain raid boss in a predictable manner.)
Bottom line is, no one starts out ABLE to do anything automatically. It was practiced and developed over time. Frustration at the stages before “can more or less do it” is completely normal.
But anyway, after the story instance completes, you’re tossed out into the first open world map of the expansion.
Boy, were they really careful with its design.
The first thing you get is a fairly big settlement, not quite racial city-sized but definitely larger than a village or outpost.
You can run around it in relatively welcoming safety, like Lion’s Arch. It introduces the special mechanics of the map – races, bounties – and has some amenities like a bank and trading post.
What’s pretty special is that in a fashion somewhat remniscent of Warhammer Online, you can actually get “public quests” *ahem* “dynamic events” within the town confines.
You can run around and collect objects with your mount and contribute to event completion. A pack of rampaging choya (planty quaggan things, but -angrier-) can attempt to stampede into town. It gives the whole city a little more life – or at least, more action.
The real verisimilitude comes from the outside.
This -is- a big map, compared to the rest of the GW2 zones. (And mind you, one third to one quarter of it on the right side also appears to be locked off at the moment.)
Wide open is the watchword, and IT FEELS GOOD.
Explorer souls, rejoice.
The awe of gorgeous surroundings, the curious sensation of wondering what’s over the horizon in whichever direction yonder and just -choosing to go- there (without being hindered by sheer drops, puzzle updraft/mushrooms and Mordremoth’s clingy tendrils), and then finding something interesting to see – all that is back in the map on weekend preview.
I find myself sometimes just wanting to run on foot through the place, rather than mount up.
If you miss that sense of MMO as a WORLD, rather than as a meta map with a game objective on a timer, then I think you can get some sense of that back in Path of Fire, if the rest of the zones are similar to this one.
World map-wise, it looks pretty promising in potential. Given the coloration of the Elonian region, we might see bits of the Brand, the sulfur deserts of old with the junundu wurms, as well as grassy oases in the Crystal Desert proper.
Even in the first map on preview, it’s not -all- beige desert, there’s some other colors too, if you know where to look.
What I do like, that I haven’t really seen commented on:
There are some really faithful references back to Guild Wars 1, with added new combat mechanics twists.
Man, hydra farming was a thing in GW1 – which I was never very good at, but tried my hand at anyway.
And I remember they were Elementalists of much fiery rainy pain.
Hydra says “ahai.”
Now here’s something we haven’t seen before, mob skills that use a lot more verticality.
The meteors are a little mean when first encountering them (I got smashed by the first meteor before I could react, the first few times) but after a while, you realize they’re going to do that and keep moving so that you’re not there by the time it lands.
Their heads pop off. And they wiggle around like beheaded triple trouble wurms. That’s a little nuts. But a very nice effect.
Overall, it’s not just the mount animations that are worthy of praise in Path of Fire, it’s pretty much all the mob animations. Sand sharks dive in and out of the sand in a convincingly fluid manner, unsoweiter.
The fanged iboga, another GW1 throwback, with an arcing poison/hallucination style attack as befits its mesmer class.
New shapes are coming. A fire wall, in all its 3D glory.
New buffs on the mob’s buff bars to read too. It will be interesting to see if boon stealing will be more valuable a mechanic in Path of Fire.
Bounties are an interesting map activity. Basically, they are like Queen’s Gauntlet mobs. You can pick up a bounty to go and trigger them in the open world. Once “summoned,” they exist for the space of 9-10 minutes, and anyone walking by can join in the fight, dynamic event style.
They have more complex mechanics than the standard open world mobs. Apparently, they can spawn with different buff “affixes” so they may vary from bounty to bounty, and necessitate slightly different tactics to defeat.
They seem to be a good intermediate training/tutorial mechanism on GW2 combat.
For one thing, it’s not a cage fight like the Queen’s Gauntlet. One can break off combat any time and run away far enough to get out of combat and switch skills/change traits to adapt to the encounter.
For another, multiple people can join in, help each other, teach each other, or at least in a worse case unfriendly scenario, -observe- how another person is soloing while in a downed state.
I followed a commander tag calling for help and fought a really angry giant choya on a flat mini-island in the ocean. The thing was rolling around like a rolling devil on steroids, smashing anyone that got in its way (ie. everyone -on- the floating platform of an island) and summoning up ley line energy things that spun around and did damage – essentially limiting even more of the already limited arena.
After getting downed a few times, I rolled off into the ocean to float and actually read all the mechanics on the mob’s bar. The ocean was a perfect safe zone. (It was a little tough to figure out the correct side to even jump back up into the fight.)
There were 3-4 other people there, all getting smashed to high heaven. Barely anyone was touching the break bar.
Which…seemed like the best strategy, actually, because it wasn’t going to stay still otherwise. And it was lethal once moving erratically.
So I gamely jumped back onto the platform, tried to land Wild Blow, Head Butt, and even Rifle Butt. There was one other person that also helped cc a bit. Together, we managed to knock out the break bar and stun it. Now it was a punching bag for a crucial few moments. Rinse and repeat. Bounty done.
There was another bounty out in the desert. I can’t recall what it was, but I do remember it had the Sniper affix.
What this produced was a slow-moving shiny ball that would select a random player and creep towards the player. It moves -just- a little faster than one can sidestep though. Once it hits the player, a target gets painted on the player and a ley line energy snipe of doom emerges from the bounty and does 95% of one’s health bar, if not more, and typically downs the player.
Cue an amusing sequence of everyone getting downed in turn and Benny Hill running away from the death ball.
I wanted to “solve” this mechanic, so I backed out of the combat leaving the two other players to alternate being downed and switched skills.
The first thing I thought of was to “block” the sniper hit.
I wasn’t on my guardian though, and warriors can usually only block reliably on demand with a shield… which I didn’t have on the demo character and wasn’t interested in wrangling with the gear explosion and stat selection of the demo box.
The other thing warriors have that essentially are more sophisticated “blocks” is a) endure pain (immune to all direct damage, but conditions go through) and b) defiant stance (heal for the amount of damage that hits you, within the limited three seconds or so that it is active).
So I put both of those on and went to test them out on the shiny ball of doom.
Allow shiny ball to hit me, trigger defiant stance. Boom, sniper shot heals me to full. Giggle maniacally.
Shiny ball comes looking for me again, and trigger endure pain. Boom, sniper shot does no damage. Perfect.
So now I just need to manage cooldowns so that one is always ready to go by the time the shiny ball comes to me… tricky… hmm, what about classes that don’t have the specialized skills of warriors, can they do anything? Well, anyone can dodge with an invulnerability frame… HMM…
The next time the shiny ball comes in, I cross my fingers for luck and dodge the moment it hits me. BAM, evaded, just as the sniper shot comes in.
Therrrre you go, that’s IT. That’s the solution. It’s a mini-training tutorial for dodging!
Suddenly, I am the only person staying alive consistently while the other three people also fighting the boss just keep going down when the shiny ball decides they look interesting.
I leave them to observe me for a while: a mixture of not wanting to attract the shiny ball of doom and get sniped to death while locked in a revive animation, and wondering if the other three can learn by observation and arrive at the solution.
Mind you, these were not completely new players. The lowest had a 56 mastery point level, the middle was somewhere around 143, and the last was a full 193 mastery like moi.
They downed, revived themselves, downed again.
I stayed alive, and sat at range pewpewing the bounty as a rifle warrior.
After the second time they downed in sequence, feeling a little bad that I wasn’t bothering to rez them while I was enjoying my sequence of reactive dodging or soaking the sniper shot, I tried a teaching moment.
“Dodge when the shiny ball reaches you” was all I needed to say.
The next time they revived themselves, I watched as the shiny ball hit them. And BAM, they dodged and stayed alive. Just like that. The bounty died.
These were not complete newbies. They -knew- how to dodge. What they lacked was the ability to read the mechanics and experiment with solution finding. Their first impulse was to run away from the ball, and they kept trying to do that, even when the ball caught up with them and kept downing them.
I don’t know if this problem solving propensity can be trained or encouraged, but certainly, these new mobs are a way to at least let some people inclined to strategizing have some fun, and then the best solutions will get passed around verbatim or via Dulfy guide until everyone just knows “the strategy” for the encounter.
It’s a nice intermediate step from normal open world mobs anyway, but less punishing than that in Heart of Thorns (you don’t just die and have to waypoint run from far away, running out of combat is possible and mostly the punishment is getting downed).
My only fear is that this might break in larger numbers and groups of players. If they can be zerged down like guild bounties, then it’s possible that some players will just go ahead and do that and learn close to absolutely nothing (but maybe some osmosis will still happen in the company of others.)
Still, the weekend preview map feels surprisingly empty. Either the maps are deliberately being kept at a very low population number per instance (haven’t had skill lag in here), or folks have seen what they came to see and don’t want to progress further in a demo, or exploration as an activity doesn’t actually interest the present GW2 population as a whole.
I really hope it’s not the last. There doesn’t seem to be violent opposition on Reddit to this, so hopefully, people like it. I’m personally quite happy to have more of this stuff. (Cantha is a word that comes to mind, just sayin’.)
Nightime in this zone is fantastic. What better to end on but screenshots of this?
8 thoughts on “GW2: Path of Fire Weekend Demo”
I’m finding this discussion SO interesting and enlightening. Don’t know if you read UltrViolet’s second post and my reply but your description of how you approach things here plays right into it.
I have always thought GW2 open world is at the very easy end of the MMO combat spectrum. I’ve been continually puzzled, mystified even, by the extent to which people (especially people i believe to be more widely experienced and more skilled at video games ion general than I am) claim to find GW2 open world combat frustratingly hard or unforgiving. Even when HoT was brand new and un-nerfed I didn’t think it really approached moderate levels of difficulty – I struggled more in the WoW invasions pre-Legion, as a comparison.
To emphasize how not-hard I think it is, in five years I have barely ever looked at those tiny icons on mobs. I don’t generally pay much attention to what mobs can or can’t do unless it’s something very specific (the ball thing you describe probably would come into that category). I have a very vague idea – some of them jump about a lot, some of them teleport etc – but I generally don’t adjust my actions much whatever they do.
My tactics, if you could flatter them with such a name, are to fire off every ability on my hotbar as often as it become available, while moving constantly. I don’t just dodge all the time, i run about, jump on objects, strafe and generally behave like a toddler on a sugar rush who just peed up against an electric fence. I find this works in 90% of situations on pretty much any class wielding pretty much any weapon.
When it doesn’t work, I run away. If I need to do whatever it was that i was doing, then I might look at the mob to see what it does, look at my abilities to see what they do (on most classes I couldn’t tell you what 8 out of 10 of the icons on my hotbars do in any kind of detail – Ele and Ranger are about the only exceptions). As for anything as subtle as timing a block I can honestly say I have never done that in the lifetime of the game. Wouldn’t know where to start.
Playing this way I don’t die much. Certainly in those situations where you see masses of downed people I will rarely be one of them. Even more rarely would I be fully dead. I may not pay much attention to my skills but I pay intense attention to my health and my situation and if I’m in trouble I run away – fast!
As I was commenting at Endgame Viable, I have kind of played this way since before GW2 began. Other MMOs weren’t quite as supportive of the “flea on a flat iron” strat but if I could move while I fought then I moved. Also, if you play EQ2 as I do, where a standard set of combat hotbars has well over 50 abilities ( I think my Berserker probably has more like 75) then cycling through them non-stop is second nature. If it’s off cooldown, why wouldn’t I click it?
All of this makes me scratch my head when I hear people describing the level of attention to detail required just to survive and prosper in regular open world combat. In solo instances with a ton of trick mechanics – yes, sure. In Raids, of course. But in open world?
I should also add that I tend to set my traits when my characters first hit 80 and if I look at them once a year after that it’d be an unusual year! The entire idea of Legendary armor and weapons, where you *change* your stats makes me sweat just thinking about it. Stats should stay like they are, preferably forever, except for incrementing occasionally, of course!
Anyway, whatever works, I guess!
The number one killer of people used to other MMOs – staying stationary or facetanking mobs in GW2. Every time.
You can observe this phenomenon on Twitch or if you watch newbies in the lowbie zones and so on. They lumber up and just STAND THERE because that’s what they do in other MMOs to attack. They expect a tank to deflect the aggro and a healer to take care of their health.
You’re thinking, “OMG move move too much damage incoming you can’t heal that up with your self heal OMG red circle why u stand there still plz MOVE”
Couple minutes later, they fall over. RIP.
The moment they connect that they can move constantly and cast, much less problems. Many other MMOs don’t support this, the moment you move, you cancel your attack, so you can’t blame ’em for getting used to being stationary, but the habit must be broken in GW2.
“or folks have seen what they came to see and don’t want to progress further in a demo”
That’s it exactly for me – I got myself a bunch of nice screenshots to put on my GW2 tumblr, and now I’m happy to wait for the real thing to arrive.
The first time I played the demo, I was trying out Revenant, a class I had never touched before. I thought “Hey, it’s a demo. It should be EASY and a good time to try out something I’ve never played.”
Anyhow. I re-rolled my demo character as a Necro, tried it again, and got through it without any issue. I still don’t think those opening story pieces are easy by any means, however. For someone who is rusty or just coming back to the game, I’m afraid it might be a little tough and maybe a turn-off.
Also, all the gear they gave to Necro was conditions, and I run a power build. Still worked okay, but man, some of those open world enemies took forever to die.
I did a little sight-seeing around the town but didn’t progress beyond that in story or events because I don’t want to spoil it. I love the raptor mount… it just feels like it has a lot of weight and substance to it. I can tell I’m going to enjoy working on my mounts, even as masteries.
I want to get into the new player experience in a future post.
I’ve been playing Path of Exile 3.0 as someone still somewhat on the “new player” end of the spectrum and the experience has been night and day compared to what GW2 is offering in the weekend demo. Anet could take quite a few tips from GGG on smoothing out a newbie experience.
I think regular GW2 players are starting to block out the story instances out of self defence..The narrative is prosaic and not very memorable, involves some chatter with some NPC you kinda knew once and see every six months when a new story instance is released, and some fight or other. Plot? Eh, whatever, it’s just a cardboard reason to get us from point A to B.