What if our LFG finders had two radio buttons with the options
Would both see equal use? Or at least sufficient people opting for either option that both would be functional?
Would the social be able to find similarly oriented people and have great conversations as they do the group content, or would it just be full of too many chatterers and not enough listeners?
Would the group content of the talkers slow down because they’re spending additional time conversing, or would it conversely speed up because they’re actually communicating strategies and getting everyone on the same page faster?
Would the silent group gather a disproportionate number of ‘lazy’ players who can’t be arsed talking and would they gel naturally without words into a model of speedrun efficiency or devolve into an uncoordinated uncommunicative mess?
One of the things I’ve decided is up my alley is that I tend to play games of accumulation. Collection is a motivation.
It is why I gravitate to games like GW2 that let me accumulate and -keep- accumulating until the clutter gets overwhelming; games like Warframe with no functional inventory limit and all the collection possibility in the world; games like Path of Exile where I stuff things into 40 stash tabs and call it a day; games like Terraria and Minecraft and Don’t Starve where I can build a base and fill every last square inch with chests.
Even in A Tale in the Desert, when I’d finally ended up distracted from the game and left my house behind (in the two or three Tales I semi-played), it was bound to contain a ton of stuff stashed away for future player scavengers to celebrate their haul.
It is probably why I tried The Long Dark recently and felt uncomfortable with its core gameplay. It is a survival scavenging game of forever and harshly dwindling meters.
By design, it seems built for players of a more nomadic scavenger bent who are happy to raid an area until it lacks any usable supplies and then move on to the next locale.
Conversely, what I really want to do is collect all the wood into a gigantic pile and set up a warm and cozy base camp in a cave or a building from which to venture out and roam and collect resources to deposit back at ‘home.’
This seems to be a type of gameplay unrewarded and made near impossible by Long Dark – your fires get blown out by wind, you can’t build fires indoors, you will likely run out of matches to light fires eventually, your fires devour fuel and there is never enough wood, and the further you venture away the more likely you are to freeze to death before you can find/produce/get back to a source of warmth.
The game subtly presents my subconscious escapism with one of its utter nightmares: “You can never collect enough stuff. It will run out. You will lose it all.”
I gamely tried it for 5 hours.
The story mode seemed like a fairly straightforward tutorial, but I took a break when faced with a tedious fetch quest and googled to find out that the rest of the episodes are not yet in place, diminishing my will to play it until it’s all complete.
The survival mode, well, was not for me.
First, I randomized my start location for the hell of it and picked the normal Voyager difficulty mode – whereupon my fortune deposited me in Forlorn Muskeg, one of the harder maps apparently. I lasted under a day, having accidentally fallen into a lake through thin ice and hastening my demise, which was already looming via starvation.
Having determined that this average difficulty level was too hard for my liking, I decided to give myself the best shot and picked the beginning options – easiest Pilgrim difficulty and Mystery Lake, a map intended for new players.
I lasted under two days, having spawned in some wintry forest or another, finding a wind-exposed wooden lookout shelter with not much resources, and later making the ill-judged mistake of going to sleep in a bedroll without a fire (I couldn’t find enough wood to make one that would last long enough for sleeping) and promptly never waking up again, having opted to snugly freeze to death by clicking yes to a couple of buttons.
I tried it again, spawning in a different location that led me to a logging camp with a stove in an open exposed building and around four enclosed buildings that had beds but did not allow for fires within.
After soundly boggling at the logic of being unable to sleep in the beds – for fear of freezing to death – nor being able to drag the bed mattress out to the skeleton of the building with the stove that supported a fire, I spent a night huddled by the stove reading and snoozing in the bedroll.
I calculated that there was probably enough wood in the vicinity to last one or two more nights, if I wanted to scavenge every last chair and branch to fuel the fire before the place would run out.
Since this prospect felt tedious in the extreme, I decided to hasten the “moving on” portion and continued roaming.
I stumbled across a bridge, some cars, something that looked like a guard shelter and a dam in the background. Huddling under the bridge protected from wind chill and seemed like a potential spot for a fire.
I calculated that scavenging around in the cars and shelter /might/ produce enough resources to last one night under the bridge, if I was very lucky, and/or proceeding to the dam to scavenge for more resources to rapaciously consume might occupy another day.
But the thought of rapacious consumption was so depressing it destroyed my will to continue and I quit out under the bridge instead.
Nope, Long Dark appears not to be for me.
A little skimming of various forums suggested that the ‘game’ part of Long Dark constituted of getting very familiar with the maps and potential resource placements and efficient routing from point A to point B.
This is ridiculously metagame-y for a game ostensibly about surviving in the Canadian wilderness and valuing a harsh simulation experience where gathering wood and fire construction and warmth maintenance takes up the greater part of the day.
Certain design choices seem in contrast with each other. Fire building as a simulation is “realistic” but I cannot even drag a branch with me into more sheltered conditions before I work on it to break it into pieces?
Certain design choices just don’t gel with my playstyle. I guess I’m more of a turtler than a rusher. Roaming and consuming is not really my thing, I build and farm and make little sustainable loops till infinite resources (or system lag). [Yes, Factorio is still on the wishlist. I know. #patientgamer]
No harm done. I’d found Long Dark in my massive Steam games collection (others call it a backlog, I call it a museum of idle choice), having presumably accumulated it in one Humble Bundle or another that was bought for other games. Tried it. Put it down. Till next time or never. As my mood takes me.
The experience does, however, crystallize the realization of why I always ask myself this criteria before I consider buying or seriously long term playing a game (as opposed to testing out for free in the short term):
Can I lose progress?
That is, can other players impact my progress negatively? Is the game designed so that I will lose stuff? (where stuff usually equates to progress in some fashion) Will I ever experience a period of backward progress where I will have wasted my time and have to do it all over again?
Others are fine with this. It is exciting, apparently. High risk, high reward. The tension is gratifying, rather than stressful and upsetting, or they -need- low lows in order to experience sufficient highs in a sort of yin and yang seesaw. Stuff is a temporary means to an end, or just a way of keeping score as it trades hands. They have ample time for do-overs. Or they’ll put up with it because they want to have the chance to inflict it on others.
(The only permadeath games that I’m fine with are in the roguelike genre. The keys to how I can make an exception seem to be because the account and my learning always experiences positive progression and any backward progress is solely due to my own actions, which retains the autonomy I seem to crave.)
Being acted on by others is the exact opposite of autonomy – a loss of control to rub salt into the already smarting wound of “stuff” loss to a collector.
So I’ve voluntarily taken myself out of the player audience for any games who choose to allow for this in their design. I know losing things won’t make an accumulator happy. Hoarders gotta hoard.
In so doing, I’ve also realized that the current crop of multiplayer MMO-likes coming down the line are probably not for me, gameplay-wise.
I’ve been catching the early hours of Cohhcarnage’s stream since those are usually the same times I play. I have my accumulatory game going in the primary monitor and keep Cohh’s stream up on the secondary monitor.
I miss half of the stuff going on, but since those are usually instances of scrolling messily through console UI scavenging and crafting items or wandering through the wilderness shooting some variant of a mutant zombie with guns in identical fashion, it seems like no big loss.
Instead, I watch the bits of content that interest me. The occasionally lovely wilderness landscapes as opposed to the ruined junkyard scenes, and the environmental storytelling that Cohh will call attention to when he stumbles across it.
Watching yet another streamer patiently solo a super mutant base or a wendigo cave lets me appreciate the strategic gameplay aspect (such that it is – ie. Scouting with binoculars or a sniper rifle zoom and picking off enemies, circle strafing with shotguns, beating the face in on some other mobs with a super sledge to save ammo – basic, but at least it’s there) secondhand, without actually have to do the combat myself at its slow and stately pace.
It’s outsourced gameplay!
Which makes a tremendous amount of sense the first time one of these streamers run into a game-breaking bug or otherwise unwelcome experience and you watch them bite their lip and either control themselves with herculean effort or go off into a frustrated rant (or both.)
Well, at least they’re getting paid to entertain. Twitch audiences thrive on schadenfreude. Which presumably makes the $60 game additionally feel like an investment in content for their stream and community and makes it much easier to rationalize the purchase, over someone who was hoping to get their pay-off solely from the game itself.
It sometimes makes me wonder if this isn’t the new model that some companies are deciding to experiment with, post-microtransactions era.
Selling individual copies of the game itself is so passé. I mean, you’d have to extend your reach to a really broad audience if you want to make sufficient money off box sales alone – which may greatly limit the type of game one has to make and design, trying to be all things to all people.
Ditto subscriptions, you’re still limited to the one customer one payment model, albeit monthly.
Except in both the above cases, your customers suffer attrition real fast, from boredom and distraction and the passage of time and you keep having to create new content at possibly unsustainable rates to slow this attrition down.
So enter microtransactions and lockboxes and content DLC. Now your one customer has the potential of making -multiple- payments, of possibly very high value, with more freedom of payment from the tyranny of a calendar month. The trick is to frame your model so that the bulk of your customers accept it or even welcome it, as opposed to reacting like a vampire presented with some garlic or a cross.
And as they played around with variations on this, they realized that there were ‘whales’ who would pay the bulk of the cash, amidst a sea of tiny minnows paying small or nil amounts… and games started shifting their design around to cater to the happiness of said whales.
But how else can you earn money for your company? Where is the big moolah?
eSports is one, of course. If you can turn your game into a sports franchise, complete with celebrities and competitions, wow, will that money will flow in.
And then there’s this strange phenomenon that is attracting eyes… game spectating on Twitch. People are paying money to watch other people play games, or rather, supporting as patrons the lifestyles of live entertainers who make game playing a watchable entertaining experience.
Hrm… What if we design games that are meant for Twitch?
They’d have to be games that a large number of people would rather watch someone else play.
(That is, it might require a lot of skill or learning or time to progress so that most people can only aspire to such heights, or challenge a player with risky endeavors and potential loss and setbacks that many loss-adverse people are unwilling to experience firsthand.)
They’d have to provide a wealth of interesting, unpredictable, emotional experiences to provoke streamer reaction.
It’ll have to look attractive enough to watch, be clear and simple enough to visually parse and understand (ie. not GW2).
It could have high priced microtransactions.
(Streamers -are- whales, after all, or have a high likelihood of becoming one. They’re receiving monetary donations from a collective of viewers and thus probably more willing to invest some of it back into a game that is enabling them to profit from it.
The presence of viewers creates social peer pressure to spend – who wants to be seen as a skinflint? Especially when 8000 eyes are on you? No, you want to provoke awe and admiration and even a little jealousy. Pop goes that credit card.)
Possibly even disposable after some time, because popular interest will move on to the next new thing, so why step into the trap of trying to keep an MMO alive forever?
New World is another interesting case.
I have not bothered signing up for the alpha. Or beta. Or whatever stage it is in now.
As much as I am attracted by the prospect of a massive world and the freedom to explore and do whatever you want to do, I am equally turned off by the current website statements that the world is dangerous and you’ll need to socialize and the whole obsession around PvP and territorial control.
At the moment, my craving for autonomy wins out and ranks far higher in priority than the prospect of having to adjust my gameplay with and around other people. I’m content to explore an infinite modded Minecraft world for a similar more peaceful experience.
Oh yes, and there’s that whole thing about item loss. When someone kills you, you drop your gear and they can loot you.
Sure, it’s presumably disposable gear, if the game is designed properly. Don’t wear what you can’t lose. The gear is a tool to engender the experiences one desires.
I understood this from a theoretical basis a long time ago, when conversing with MUD players who flagged themselves “PK” (Player Killers) and evolved their whole unique culture of chasing each other around the MUD striving for a victory. A successful kill where the person put up a sporting fight meant they’d count coup off the person and just take one item; cowards and braggarts and people they disliked that didn’t fit into their little clique they would loot blind.
(As I found no joy in the actual fight or chase itself, and would probably flee like a pansy at the slightest provocation, you may rest assured I never flagged myself PK to risk complete item loss.)
Eve Online seems to have similar principles around the ships that a player flies. I get this. It’s a disposable asset that allows players who love the fray to get in there and mix it up with the right tools.
The brain understands and the heart of a hoarder screams NOOOOO… It is MINE. I WANTS IT. *GOLLUM*
Yeah. Item loss games. Not for me. See above criteria about losing progress.
For accumulators, every last speck of completely excessive bloodstone dust, dragonite ore, or empyreal dust is progress.
I can’t even throw useless stuff away on my own. Why would I opt to play a game that lets others take stuff from me?
As for Crucible, well: “Crucible is a third-person, last one standing game of trust and betrayal. Each match pits human and alien competitors with unique weapons and abilities against one another on a lush, alien world. Players make and break alliances on the fly. In Crucible it takes a mix of combat skill, strategic planning, and social finesse to survive.”
Alliance making. Trust and betrayal. Sounds like a Werewolf or Town of Salem game. Or Survivor or Hunger Games. “Social finesse” – Ha! I have none!
And I probably already have misanthropic trust issues without needing a game designed for backstabbing to rub it in that hell is other people. Nope, definitely not for me to be playing one of those either.
I also can’t shake the feeling that Amazon is developing games designed for and around Twitch. I mean, they own it, after all.
Games that are going to be far more interesting to spectate than play.
I’d cheerily -watch- both New World and Crucible.
I could flip channels and experience a dozen different New World lives in the time it would take to play one and either build the social connections necessary for progress – in the unlikely event that all timezones meshed – or live like a lone wandering hermit running away from “murderous player bandits” until one gets eaten by a bear.
I could watch -other- people undergo match after match of schmoozing and begging and screaming and wheeling and dealing in Crucible, shrieking “No, him, not me!”
Secondhand, it sounds distant enough to be highly amusing. Firsthand and up close, much less so.
Felt like a kid opening up a Christmas present tonight.
Chroma Prime looks so freaking cool.
It also hit me that I will have a problem experimenting with his different energy colors because I am liable to spend an hour in the Appearance editor tweaking optimum color combinations to match the current element I’m fooling around with.
I mean, how do I pass up the opportunity to color coordinate a red dragon, a black (D&D black dragons spit acid) or green toxic dragon, a light blue or white ice dragon or a deep blue or purple electric dragon reminiscent of GW2’s Kralkatorrik?
Well, I did try for all of 8 minutes to aspire to “meta” greatness by watching a Chroma build guide video, only to sort through my current stash of mods to determine about three quarters of the necessary mod cards were not yet in my possession.
(Right, gotta have a future goal to grind towards. Start looking for ability strength and duration stuff at some point.)
Anyhow, the frame still needed to rank up to 30 from 0 before even having the mod space to approach the distant neighborhood of optimal.
So I went for fun and killing a few birds (or infested alien monsters) with the same flamethrower.
That is, I had an Ignis to also rank up. The Ignis is a flamethrower with innate Heat damage. It didn’t have the mod space to get fancy with secondary damage types yet, since it was starting from near zero (well, 10 mastery) so I popped on a weak Serration and called it done.
Then I went for a fire Chroma to play around with EVEN MOAR FIRE while testing out all the various abilities and ranking up at the same time.
I’m sure some people have mathed it all out (and I will get around to looking at the results of that math and aping it the moment I want to try soloing an Eidolon or considering higher level missions) but at level 25-35 missions, the amount of sheer AoE chaos from spewing fire all over the place is… probably extremely non-optimal but exceedingly gratifying.
I probably need to put Ember on the wish list at some point, I have a terrible weakness for all things fire.
Apparently, Chroma got nerfed or reworked at some point (says Google while I was searching around) and some people feel the current version is a little too weak in comparison to other frames. Since I was never around for the “before” version, I have no standard of comparison anyway.
For now, I’m content to just mess about and have fun discovering new and different playstyles while looking goddamn good.
It is super duper rare that I am beaming all over after playing a game. I am, by nature, more of a cynic and a pessimist. Outwardly, anyhow, so as to protect the teeny tiny kernel of eternal hope within from crushing disappointment.
But tonight, I am grinning from ear to ear like a Cheshire Cat of epic proportions.
On the 12th of November, since I was coming down from a GW2 legendary push, I started playing Warframe more heavily and giving it a more focused shot at void relic farming for Chroma Prime.
Somehow, a Chroma Prime Chassis blueprint dropped from solo opening one of my few Meso T3 relics (20% chance, after farming enough Void Traces to boost them to Radiant status.)
Bolstered by the first part finally dropping, I went ahead to crack open some Intact Neo K2 relics (25% chance for the Chroma Prime Blueprint itself), assuming that this would be the easiest part to obtain.
It also yielded itself that selfsame night.
Next, the hard part.
Chroma Prime Neuroptics blueprint have a 2-10% chance dropping from a Lith C3 relic; ditto Chroma Prime Systems with a 2-10% chance from an Axi C3 relic.
The 2% chance is if one brings the relic as is, “Intact” to a mission.
Improving the drop rate means upgrading with a Void Traces currency (which itself must be farmed by opening other relics). The best chance one can get for those two parts is 10%, which costs a fairly hefty amount of 100 Void Traces to bring it to Radiant.
Missions, by the way, are arranged in the order of difficulty from Lith (Easy), Meso (Okay), Neo (Medium-ish) and Axi (Pretty Durned Hard).
Lith would be tedious in terms of grind, but at least the missions would be something I could easily do.
Axi honestly terrified me. It would push the limits of where I currently am at with my warframes and weapons and mods.
After a few nights of patiently farming a grand total of three Lith C3s and three Axi C3s, tonight a 7 hour resource booster dropped as a free gift from the daily, which I noted doubled the Void Trace drop quantity.
Taking advantage of this, I changed plans and boosted all six of them to Radiant ever slowly and steadily farming in my inefficient solo way (which at least lets me have the agency to shoot mobs rather than wait for someone else to play the game for me.)
Naturally, once they were Radiant, I just -had- to try to crack them open.
After two missions of generously bringing Radiant Lith C3s and a Saryn to public groups just throwing in random Intact Liths, I decided I was tired of watching things die to another player pushing one button (and me being little better, snatching up what remained from that player and pushing my own button 4 to AoE wipe out the stragglers.)
Also, I had hoped that maybe another player might have some to improve my chances, but it apparently was a revolving door of some players deciding to drop after checking out the party and probably what relics were on offer.
So I played my last Lith relic as a legit slower solo, taking my time to open some containers and shoot some mobs and kubrows for the hell of it.
Axi was left.
I gamely tried a level 41-43 Axi mission that was Corpus Defence by myself. I brought my Frost Prime, which I figured would give the objective the best chance at survival, and my best weapon and my best everything.
His Snow Globe was getting ripped apart but I was managing to keep it up and stacked… until the Nullifiers showed up. One thing or another happened, the globe kept dissolving, I kept getting ragdolled around and barely clung on (losing two lives in the process.)
Then the Corrupted Ambulas showed up, which was apparently some kind of ridiculously high hp TANK of a boss mob and me with the wrong weapon damage type/no knowledge of how to deal with it. It took some five minutes of slowly nickel and diming it to death.
The next wave (wave 4, I believe) began, and a SECOND Corrupted Ambulas landed, accompanied by a veritable wave of robotic laser-toting moas which do horrible things to the Snow Globe.
That was when I surrendered and aborted that mission.
Public matches it would have to be.
At least I would be bringing an offering of a Radiant Axi C3 relic, which I assumed a more high rank player would be happier to crack open for everyone to benefit from.
Along that vein of thinking, I brought along my Rhino Prime so that I could both stay alive with Iron Skin and just Roar to give whoever was going to do the major part of the killing a little more damage.
Two missions and two teams went by. Nothing.
On the second team, two players voted to stay for waves 6-10, one decided to extract, and I decided to follow along with the two that hadn’t violently barfed and run off from my low to middle ranked mastery level.
My -last- Axi C3 relic… else I would have to repeat the process for another couple days.
Very very happy camper right now.
In 3 days and 12 hours later, I can take the shiny new prime warframe out for a test run.
Laughably, I don’t even have the base Chroma yet and have no clue what it does. I like the idea of a dragon warframe, but found the normal Chroma both ugly and a bit tedious to make as it required farming up other warframe parts. The ugliness really did not help the appeal.
Chroma Prime, though. Love its look. Very similar in structure to the Palatine Rhino skin which is my top favorite fashion warframe. Had to have it.
Now I do. Feels so good.
Oh, and as additional icing on today’s cake, I was right in my last post that Path of Exile would be launching its hype cycle pretty darned soon.